{"id":1186,"date":"2010-11-17T09:30:39","date_gmt":"2010-11-17T14:30:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/?p=1186"},"modified":"2015-06-04T15:24:24","modified_gmt":"2015-06-04T19:24:24","slug":"ferlater-antibiotics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/ferlater-antibiotics\/2010\/11\/17\/","title":{"rendered":"Ferlater Antibiotics"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-1187\" title=\"danish\" alt=\"danish\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2010\/11\/danish1.jpg\" width=\"307\" height=\"230\" \/>In this absolutely hysterical, laugh-out-loud <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jewishtvnetwork.com\/?bcpid=533363107&amp;bctid=909849578\" target=\"_blank\">comedy routine<\/a>, Mal Z. Lawrence describes a woman at a Catskill hotel, piling danish into her handbag.<\/p>\n<p>She calls them &#8220;ferlater danish&#8221; &#8212; as opposed to the ones she&#8217;s eating at breakfast, those are &#8220;fernow.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Did you ever have one of your patients request &#8220;ferlater&#8221; antibiotics? \u00a0That is, ask that you write a prescription for an antibiotic even though they&#8217;re not sick now, just in case they <em>become <\/em>sick?<\/p>\n<p>Over at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2010\/11\/14\/magazine\/14FOB-Ethicist-t.html?_r=1&amp;scp=2&amp;sq=the%20ethicist&amp;st=cse\">&#8220;The Ethicist&#8221;<\/a> column this week in the Sunday\u00a0<em>New York Times<\/em>, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Randy_Cohen\" target=\"_blank\">Randy Cohen<\/a> fields a question from a woman whose husband has just developed pneumonia on a trip to Peru, even though he&#8217;d requested (and had been refused) antibiotics from his doctor before he left. \u00a0&#8220;Was the doctor overly rigid?&#8221; asks the woman. \u00a0Responds Cohen:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This doctor does seem disturbingly conservative&#8230; \u00a0So, yes, I\u2019m with you, and so is Dr. Jane O\u2019Shaughnessy, an expert in emergency medicine, who e-mailed me to say, \u201cPrescribing antibiotics and other medications tailored to the trip destination is usual practice among doctors who specialize in travel medicine.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>On first glance, this seems right, especially since the man had a history of recurrent respiratory tract infections.<\/p>\n<p>But Mr. Cohen and Dr. O&#8217;Shaughnessy should know it&#8217;s not always quite so simple. \u00a0First, travel medicine and ID \u00a0specialists &#8212; and I wonder why Cohen asked an ER doc rather than go right to the source &#8212; recommend providing antibiotics before trips to developing countries in case diarrhea develops, but not in general for respiratory tract infections, most of which are viral anyway.<\/p>\n<p>Second, let&#8217;s say he did get the antibiotics &#8212; would this have necessarily prevented the pneumonia? \u00a0Who&#8217;s to say?<\/p>\n<p>Third, it&#8217;s important that <em>Times<\/em> readers know just how often clinicians get asked for &#8220;ferlater&#8221; antibiotics, usually with far less justification than in the anecdote presented in the <em>Times.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>And rather than displaying excess rigidity, doctors and nurses who say no to this request are generally acting with very sound judgment.<\/p>\n<p><center><object id=\"flashObj\" width=\"486\" height=\"412\" classid=\"clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=9,0,47,0\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/c.brightcove.com\/services\/viewer\/federated_f9?isVid=1\" \/><param name=\"bgcolor\" value=\"#FFFFFF\" \/><param name=\"flashVars\" value=\"videoId=909849578&#038;playerID=16628871001&#038;playerKey=AQ~~,AAAAAASoKSk~,HJXedQEKho2eUtBkWtRSDhAD4CYRrIEl&#038;domain=embed&#038;dynamicStreaming=true\" \/><param name=\"base\" value=\"http:\/\/admin.brightcove.com\" \/><param name=\"seamlesstabbing\" value=\"false\" \/><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"swLiveConnect\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"allowScriptAccess\" value=\"always\" \/><embed src=\"http:\/\/c.brightcove.com\/services\/viewer\/federated_f9?isVid=1\" bgcolor=\"#FFFFFF\" flashVars=\"videoId=909849578&#038;playerID=16628871001&#038;playerKey=AQ~~,AAAAAASoKSk~,HJXedQEKho2eUtBkWtRSDhAD4CYRrIEl&#038;domain=embed&#038;dynamicStreaming=true\" base=\"http:\/\/admin.brightcove.com\" name=\"flashObj\" width=\"486\" height=\"412\" seamlesstabbing=\"false\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" allowFullScreen=\"true\" swLiveConnect=\"true\" allowScriptAccess=\"always\" pluginspage=\"http:\/\/www.macromedia.com\/shockwave\/download\/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash\"><\/embed><\/object><\/center><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this absolutely hysterical, laugh-out-loud comedy routine, Mal Z. 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