{"id":3133,"date":"2012-08-25T16:14:02","date_gmt":"2012-08-25T20:14:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/?p=3133"},"modified":"2015-06-04T15:14:05","modified_gmt":"2015-06-04T19:14:05","slug":"on-hcv-these-questions-three","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/on-hcv-these-questions-three\/2012\/08\/25\/","title":{"rendered":"On HCV, These Questions Three"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2012\/08\/bridge-of-death-monty-python1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright  wp-image-3134\" title=\"bridge of death monty python\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2012\/08\/bridge-of-death-monty-python1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"288\" height=\"159\" \/><\/a>In the fastest-moving area of ID drug development, answers are eagerly sought to the following <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_7iXw9zZrLo\" target=\"_blank\">questions three<\/a>:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>What does the bad news on\u00a0BMS-986094 &#8212; formerly\u00a0INX-189 &#8212; mean for other investigational HCV nucleotides?<\/strong>\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/bms.newshq.businesswire.com\/press-release\/financial-news\/bristol-myers-squibb-discontinues-development-bms-986094-investigationa\" target=\"_blank\">Severe cardiotoxicity<\/a>, fatal in one case, has ended the drug&#8217;s development. Importantly, <a href=\"http:\/\/seekingalpha.com\/article\/814791-idenix-pharmaceuticals-ceo-provides-update-on-idx184-clinical-development-program-conference-transcript\" target=\"_blank\">nothing similar has thus far been observed\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0with the structurally-similar IDX184, but that drug has been placed on &#8220;clinical hold&#8221; by the FDA. By contrast,\u00a0the nucleotide GS-7977 is apparently different enough chemically that studies are for now continuing. One take-home message: drug development is risky business.<\/li>\n<li><strong>When will the alphabet soup of terms used to describe HCV treatment response be abandoned?<\/strong>\u00a0HCV treatment either works, and you&#8217;re cured, or it doesn&#8217;t. But because the treatment is so cumbersome and so long, there&#8217;s a whole slew of ways to describe how things are going before you get to that point.\u00a0Let&#8217;s see, there&#8217;s <em>RVR<\/em> (rapid virologic response, or no virus detected at 4 weeks); <em>eRVR<\/em> (extended rapid virologic response, or no virus detected at weeks 4 <em>and<\/em> 12 &#8212; used in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/22714001\" target=\"_blank\">this study<\/a> of daclatasvir); <em>EVR<\/em> (early virologic response, which really isn&#8217;t that early, because it&#8217;s week 12, and it can be either <em>pEVR<\/em> &#8212; for &#8220;partial&#8221; &#8212; which means HCV RNA drops by more than 2 log but is still detected, or <em>cEVR<\/em> &#8212; for &#8220;complete&#8221;, which means it&#8217;s undetectable); <em>ETR<\/em> (end of treatment response, or no virus detectable at end of treatment); and of course <em>SVR<\/em> (sustained virologic response, now available in \u00a0many flavors, depending on the week after stopping treatment you want to measure it &#8212; 2, 4, 8, 12, 16, 24,etc). For now, with IF\/RBV +\/- telaprevir\/boceprevir and &#8220;response-guided&#8221; therapy still ruling the day, we&#8217;re stuck with this mish-mosh of terms, but I suspect most of this\u00a0stuff will be irrelevant pretty soon, except for the bottom line &#8212; how many are <em>cured? <\/em>Doesn&#8217;t that sound better than &#8220;How many are SVR-12&#8217;d?&#8221;<\/li>\n<li><strong>So when precisely will these new drugs become available?<\/strong> Seems pretty obvious right now that if you&#8217;ve got HCV and <em>can<\/em> wait for better treatments, you <em>should<\/em>. Treatment became more effective with telaprevir and boceprevir, but it also got more complicated, toxic, and expensive. Things have to get better, and they will &#8212; especially with interferon-free options. Regardless, no one knows exactly when these new drugs will be available for use outside of clinical trials &#8212; 2013-2014 a broad estimate &#8212; and all kinds of things could hold up their approval (see #1 above). Plus, some patients can&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t wait for better options because they have advanced liver disease. Just this last week, two such individuals came in for evaluation &#8212; both with HIV, both with prior treatment failure on IF\/RBV, both with Stage 3\/4 fibrosis on liver biopsy. Should they wait for daclatasvir, GS-7977, TMC-435,\u00a0ABT-450\/r +\u00a0ABT-333, etc? Probably not.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<div>For the record &#8230;\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.intriguing.com\/mp\/_scripts\/bridge.php\" target=\"_blank\">what <em>is<\/em> the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the fastest-moving area of ID drug development, answers are eagerly sought to the following questions three: What does the bad news on\u00a0BMS-986094 &#8212; formerly\u00a0INX-189 &#8212; mean for other investigational HCV nucleotides?\u00a0Severe cardiotoxicity, fatal in one case, has ended the drug&#8217;s development. Importantly, nothing similar has thus far been observed\u00a0\u00a0with the structurally-similar IDX184, but that [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,8,10],"tags":[25,27,263,395,408,417,927],"class_list":["post-3133","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-infectious-diseases","category-patient-care","category-research","tag-abt-333","tag-abt-450r","tag-daclatasvir","tag-gs-7977","tag-hcv","tag-hepatitis-c","tag-tmc-435"],"post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3133","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3133"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3133\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3133"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3133"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3133"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}