{"id":8892,"date":"2018-09-23T17:52:00","date_gmt":"2018-09-23T21:52:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/?p=8892"},"modified":"2018-09-26T13:31:59","modified_gmt":"2018-09-26T17:31:59","slug":"picking-your-next-id-journal-club-paper-merino-or-poet-trial-two-id-fellows-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/picking-your-next-id-journal-club-paper-merino-or-poet-trial-two-id-fellows-debate\/2018\/09\/23\/","title":{"rendered":"Picking Your Next ID Journal Club Paper? MERINO or POET Trial? Two ID Fellows Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>Late afternoon\/early evening at an academic medical center. Bright young doctors sit in a hospital workroom, putting the finishing touches on what are undoubtedly the most comprehensive and, yes, simply the best consult notes in their respective patient’s electronic medical records. <\/em><\/p>\n

Best ever.<\/em><\/p>\n

ID Fellow #1:\u00a0<\/strong> Hey, pretty soon we have to do Journal Club, right?<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #2:\u00a0<\/strong> Yep, coming up. And you’re first! And I’m the following week. Most important question — do they feed us at these conferences?<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #1:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not sure — this is one of the hardest things about fellowship. You never can tell when there’s food. During residency, there was\u00a0always<\/em>\u00a0food.<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #2:<\/strong>\u00a0 Agree, big drop off. That food issue and late afternoon consults might be the hardest thing about this year.<\/p>\n

A bit more work is done on their respective masterpieces — one a 2000-word opus summarizing a 6-week hospitalization involving several surgeries and a prolonged ICU stay, the other a 9-year history of recurrent lower extremity ulcers in a diabetic with vascular disease.<\/em><\/p>\n

ID Fellow #1:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think I’m going to choose the MERINO trial<\/a> — piperacillin-tazobactam [he didn’t really say “piperacillin-tazobactam,” but used the Z-word, alas]<\/em> vs. meropenem in ceftriaxone-resistant [mostly ESBL]<\/em> bacteremia. Mero was better! Great to have a definitive result.<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #2 (somewhat warily, since obviously she was going to pick the same paper)<\/em>:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, meropenem was better, but not superior — in other words, pip-tazo was not demonstrated to be noninferior to mero in the primary endpoint, which was all-cause mortality at 30 days after randomization. (Sensing weakness.)<\/em> You sure you have the statistical chops to discuss this?<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #1 (clearly wavering):<\/em>\u00a0<\/strong> Erm … not sure. So not noninferior? Yikes, that double negative is confusing. But it will give me a chance to review the purpose of noninferiority studies. I remember in my med school stats class, one of my favorite teachers said we should replace\u00a0“noninferior” with “Not too much worse than …” Always liked that. You know, real English.<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #2 (thinking that MERINO is now taken, so might as well be generous with her knowledge):<\/em>\u00a0<\/strong> Hey, if you really want to get down the statistical rabbit hole in MERINO, there’s a great review I read online<\/a> about it — I can text you the link. Plus, the investigators amazingly did a really interesting\u00a0thread on Twitter<\/a>, answering some of the most common questions they’ve been getting. How great is it that?<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>ID Fellow #1 (sensing that he may be out of his league on MERINO):<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0<\/em> OK … maybe you<\/em> should do MERINO. I was also thinking of the POET trial<\/a> — IV vs. oral antibiotics for endocarditis. Oral was noninferior. Highly relevant, and I still get to show off by discussing noninferiority trials.<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #2 (delighted that she now has MERINO back):<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 Great choice! Could be “practice-changing”; always good to cover a study where you can bring out that powerful phrase. Plus, no gels or blots or GWAS to explain.<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #1:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yep, it’s a great study. But I do have some issues. The eligible patients had to receive at least 10 days of IV therapy before randomization — why 10 days?<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #2:<\/strong>\u00a0 Follows the rules.<\/a><\/p>\n

ID Fellow #1:<\/strong>\u00a0 Amazingly, there was no MRSA! And only around 1% had injection drug use as a risk factor — both limit generalizability. Plus, the oral regimens are weird. Fusidic acid? What the [word unintelligible]<\/em> is that? And putting the drugs used in the supplementary appendix<\/a> was a bizarre decision, almost like they were trying to hide something. You can\u00a0tell it was presented at a cardiology and not an ID meeting. We’d never tolerate that.<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #2 (worried he might go back and take MERINO):<\/em><\/strong> So are you saying you don’t like the study?<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #1:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, I think it’s great — imagine how many fewer vanco levels we’d need to chase if PO antibiotics became standard of care for endocarditis! It’s just not perfect.<\/em>\u00a0But it’s the exact sort of study we should see more often. It asks an important clinical question, and answers it.<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #2:\u00a0<\/strong> You mean like oral vs. IV antibiotics for osteomyelitis<\/a>?<\/p>\n

ID Fellow #1:\u00a0<\/strong>\u00a0Exactly! Hey, what happened to that study?<\/p>\n

They go back to putting the finishing touches on their notes. The signed notes get transmitted electronically to an ID attending — who feels deep gratitude about working with such a smart and dedicated bunch, believe me.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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