{"id":9547,"date":"2020-02-09T21:46:22","date_gmt":"2020-02-10T02:46:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/?p=9547"},"modified":"2020-02-13T15:45:05","modified_gmt":"2020-02-13T20:45:05","slug":"should-medical-subspecialists-attend-on-the-general-medical-service","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/should-medical-subspecialists-attend-on-the-general-medical-service\/2020\/02\/09\/","title":{"rendered":"Should Medical Subspecialists Attend on the General Medical Service?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/02\/PBBH-vintage.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-9551\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/02\/PBBH-vintage.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"220\" height=\"179\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/02\/PBBH-vintage.jpg 2844w, https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/02\/PBBH-vintage-300x244.jpg 300w, https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/02\/PBBH-vintage-768x625.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/02\/PBBH-vintage-1024x833.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 220px) 100vw, 220px\" \/><\/a>As I&#8217;ve written about <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/id-stuff-talking-medical-rounds-bonus-andy-borowitz-podcast\/2018\/04\/22\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">many times on this site<\/a>, one of the highlights of the year for me is when I attend on the medical service &#8212; something I&#8217;ve been doing pretty much forever.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a wonderful learning exchange that goes on, with my knowledge of ID being repaid in kind by the others on the team &#8212; interns, residents, nurses, pharmacists, other attendings &#8212; who bring me up to date on current general medicine <em>outside<\/em> of ID.<\/p>\n<p>(Including the acronyms. <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.nejm.org\/hiv-id-observations\/index.php\/mystifying-abbreviations-daily-medical-rounds\/2016\/04\/15\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Yikes!<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>I tried to capture this flow of information by commenting on this highly amusing post by Mayo Clinic&#8217;s Dr. Adi Shah &#8212; and hence confess was taken aback by this comment from Dr. Stephen Shafran, an ID doctor from Canada:<\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/twitter.com\/ShafranStephen\/status\/1215526965697896449?s=20<\/p>\n<p>This is an important perspective, one which we subspecialists should examine carefully. How can we ensure that the care and supervision we provide be as safe as that done by a generalist?<\/p>\n<p>This concern has been on my mind the past few weeks, prompting posting of this poll:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Hey <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/medtwitter?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#medtwitter<\/a>, picking up on a classic <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/IDdocAdi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@IDdocAdi<\/a> meme from earlier this year, I ask this question &#8212; is it ok for medical subspecialists to attend on a general medical service? Why or why not?<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Paul Sax (@PaulSaxMD) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PaulSaxMD\/status\/1226283704294633472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 8, 2020<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>While the results are reassuring, this is hardly scientific &#8212; clearly many of the people who participated are ID specialists themselves, and probably many of them also attend on general medicine.<\/p>\n<p>So, where are there actual <em>data?<\/em> I searched for studies on clinical outcomes for generalist versus subspecialist inpatient attending &#8212; and came up with very little.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC1492253\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">One study<\/a> from a single academic medical center suggested that hospitalists had more efficient use of resources (shorter length of stay and costs) than rheumatologists and endocrinologists, but clinical outcomes (readmissions, mortality) were similar. So, is it really unsafe?<\/p>\n<p>As for the trainee experience, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.atsjournals.org\/doi\/full\/10.1513\/AnnalsATS.201612-995OI?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&amp;rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&amp;rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">this group from UCSF argued strongly<\/a> that having subspecialists as medical attendings greatly enriches their learning, and might motivate residents to pursue a given subspecialty as a career.<\/p>\n<p>In the absence of definitive information, allow me to list certain strategies that I hope mitigate the safety issues Dr. Shafran raises.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Those of us subspecialists who choose to do inpatient medicine generally maintain certification in Internal Medicine as well as our specialty.<\/li>\n<li>It&#8217;s very much a self-selected population of subspecialists who choose to do general medicine.<\/li>\n<li>The subspecialists well-represented on general medicine services have, in their day-to-day activities, a substantial amount of general medicine in their practice &#8212; both inpatient and outpatient. There&#8217;s a reason you won&#8217;t see many subspecialist attendings on medicine who spend most of their time inserting coronary stents or doing ERCPs.<\/li>\n<li>Obtaining consults on cases outside of one&#8217;s comfort zone is encouraged, and never considered a sign of weakness.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>One other thing, perhaps specific to our hospital, is the structure of our medical team. The rotations typically pair us subspecialists with hospitalists or outpatient generalists. While only one doctor can be the attending of record for a given patient, the team has two attendings, both hearing about all cases on rounds. More on this team structure <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nejm.org\/doi\/10.1056\/NEJMsa0908136?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&amp;rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&amp;rfr_dat=cr_pub%3dwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>After the above exchange occurred on Twitter, I received the following kind email from Dr. Badar Patel, one of our interns:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The experience I\u2019ve had with subspecialists serving as our general medical attendings have all been extremely positive, and I don\u2019t believe we\u2019ve had safety issues as the Twitter thread would suggest. I am interested in medical education and would love to be involved if an opportunity to study this in a formal manner were to come up.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For a start, he&#8217;s created a survey about this issue, and already sent it to our house staff.<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;re in clinical medicine, we&#8217;d be thrilled if you would take it as well &#8212; <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/forms\/d\/e\/1FAIpQLSftOZKSe9oiCVObMW74P6O9et7dN_apAkctbtWPLGXpKMJCpQ\/viewform\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here&#8217;s the link.<\/a> All responses are anonymous. We plan to write up the results in a future perspective piece.<\/p>\n<p>And who knows, maybe we&#8217;ll learn something! After all, we all have the same goals &#8212; better care for our patients, and a better learning experience for our trainees.<\/p>\n<p>Thoughts, comments, and opinions on this topic most welcome!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As I&#8217;ve written about many times on this site, one of the highlights of the year for me is when I attend on the medical service &#8212; something I&#8217;ve been doing pretty much forever. 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