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  1. Alice Cole
    December 17, 2025

    Thank you, Dr Sax. I am retired, but all clinicians have an opportunity to build rapport when they touch patients. I did careful physical exams on my gyn patients until the day I left. Why? They expected it and thought I was a brilliant clinician for doing them. Touch patients! Look them in the eye! I was always running behind, but every one of my colleagues would comment at one time or another, “Patients tell you such intimate details. How do you do it?” I touched them! I looked them in the eye! I asked the questions we are supposed to ask, and then I listened, and then I documented. Happy Holidays!

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    • Jonathan Blum
      December 27, 2025

      Totally agree. The ritual is important. I had one AIDS patient who, whenever I looked in his ear, would hold up his hand next to the other ear to see if the light came through. I never forgot his little joke. My wife knows what it means when I say someone has a positive otic transcranial illumination test.

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  2. Bruce Gerencser
    December 17, 2025

    I have been diagnosed over the years with fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis, exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, and degenerative spine disease. And then there’s the symptoms no one can figure out. I’ve seen numerous specialists over the past 20 years. Rare is the doctor who actually touches me. I understand the importance of tests — I’ve had more of them than I can count — but actually touching me (and looking at me) suggests care. When my primary care physician — who has treated me for 30 years) sighs at my latest problems, I know he wishes he could do more. He says I am an anigma, hard to treat. I see him every three months. Without fail, when I leave he tries to encourage me, both with his words and by touching me — a handshake, a hug, or a gentle hand on my shoulder.

    I don’t expect doctors to “fix” me. I know there’s little they can do for me. However, every doctor can be kind, thoughtful, and friendly. Sadly, I have known a few doctors who are arrogant, self-entitled $*##$@#$. Years ago, I visited a teenager in the hospital who was having major surgery on her heart (which required stoping her heart). She was scared, to say the least. When the doctor came in before the surgery and asked her to sign the consent form, she freaked out and refused to sign it. Instead of trying to understand where the girl was coming from, he yelled at her and threw the clipboard on the bed. Needless to say, I gave him an earful. I then quietly, patiently talked with the girl and she signed.

    I’ve met some wonderful doctors over the years; men and women who loved their work and their patients. Unfortunately, as with every profession, there are some doctors who lack the ability (or desire) to be thoughtful human beings.

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  3. Mimi Breed
    December 17, 2025

    Other wise the patient feels you are treating a lab value, not a patient, and may be less willing to comply with medical advice.

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  4. Scott R Helmers
    December 18, 2025

    Very enjoyable. Retired family doctor, I had once heard–and learned–that patients expect to be examined. Maybe not the younger adults, but certainly my more geriatric ones did. I tried to do so. Those few moments were invaluable for my findings and their confidence in me. As aluded above, I also recall doing my routine exam and hearing a heart mumur. No prior comment of it in my record. A new aortic valve problem needing surgery. As above also, I had occasion to have cardiologist exam at world famous medical center. I was 77, and he was older than I. He performed exams I hadn’t thought of since medical school.

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  5. Loretta S
    December 18, 2025

    Physical exams can even be a little fun for the patient! When I suspect the patient may have pneumonia and I check for egophony, I tell them “This is the Sesame Street portion of the exam” as I ask them to say EEEEE while listening to their lungs. That always brings a smile, even in someone both of us are worried may have pneumonia.

    Also want to give a shoutout to JAMA’s long running series, The Rational Clinical Examination. Each entry is specific-problem-based, but I have learned a lot about general physical exams from those articles over the years. https://jamanetwork.com/collections/6257/the-rational-clinical-examination

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  6. Joel Gallant
    December 18, 2025

    I think back to significant abnormalities I’ve picked on routine physical examinations in asymptomatic patients. Plenty of skin lesions, the occasional significant heart murmur, a hepatoma in a patient with chronic hepatitis B. But I can’t think of a time when auscultating the lungs of a patient with no respiratory complaints was ever useful. That being said, what would a patient think if I examined him without including the “take some big breaths through your mouth” portion, a necessary ritual!

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  7. Paula Aucoin
    December 18, 2025

    As a retired ID doc who also had a small Internal Medical practice in a semi rural New England county, I resonate with the above comments. Maintaining eye contact with our patients instead of the computer,
    listening to and communicating with as well as touching another person – whether a handshake, a targeted exam or a more complete “old fashioned physical” – I always found was a more satisfying encounter both for me and my patients. Hopefully, advancements in facilitating documentation and streamlining the tedium of authorizations and other infringements on time will allow clinicians to return to the practices of medicine which are rewarding to both the patient and the practitioner.

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  8. Justin Graff
    December 19, 2025

    I’m a reader from the very beginning, as a multi-specialty NEJM Journal Watch subscriber (until it went away a few weeks ago).

    I’m a neurologist, and like ID docs, most of us still take time with our patients by taking a careful history, actually reading through prior records, and doing a physical exam, many components of which non-neurologists never mastered.

    After 30 years of doing Neurology, I have transitioned to only doing EMG/NCS. Even so, with only a 5 minute history and physical exam (sensation/strength/tendon reflexes),, I find critical things on history and exam that were previously unknown by the Orthopedic docs, Ortho NPs, Family docs, and Family NPs that send the majority of patients. I diagnose things like stroke, MS, RLS, parkinsonism, myelopathies, RA, lower extremity claudication, neurogenic claudication, and deQuervain’s multiple times daily with just a brief history and exam that is non-billable. None of these diagnoses are made by EMG/NCS, nor did they need the test. But, I understand that sometimes the test is necessary to rule out a peripheral neurogenic cause of symptoms that could also be present.

    It is truly shocking how many of them tell me that no one checked their sensory exam or reflexes when I find major abnormalities.

    The poor history/exam (? due to limited appointment time vs. limited skills) leads to more tests, often unnecessary if they’d had their reflexes or sensation tested, or sometimes been allowed to tell the whole story.

    I was always taught that if you don’t know what the problem is after a thorough history, 90% of the time the exam will not make the diagnosis. I agree. A seasoned doc after taking a thorough history should use the exam and testing (if necessary) to pin down the final diagnosis from a short differential diagnosis.

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  9. Arun Inamadar
    December 27, 2025

    Nothing is more important than the PE … being dermatologist it’s always Inspection, Inspection and inspection. It’s a visual speciality. I have learnt to talk to the skin…the lesions themselves say ‘ I am so and so ‘ …

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  10. Michael Rodgers
    December 27, 2025

    I would like to posit a contrary thought. Why do a physical examination of organ systems/body parts that are not relevant to the patient’s problem? It is the same as doing irrelevant lab tests. It leads to finding abnormalities of unknown significance. I think most doctors agree full body scans without medical indication should be discouraged because they can lead to more harm than good.
    What is the difference with physical examination?

    (Of course I agree it leads to better rapport with the patient, which probably can make up for my above point.)

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  11. Jonathan Blum
    December 27, 2025

    My wife, a primary care internist, tells me she diagnosed atrial fibrillation, aortic stenosis, thyroid cancer, and three melanomas in asymptomatic patients. Her main reason for listening to their lungs was to examine the part of their skin that they could not see.

    Most of us have made diagnoses based on an exam in symptomatic patients – a swollen node, tender, joint, rash or other skin lesion, murmur, etc.

    I also used the physical exam as an excuse to get family and visitors out of the room, for the sake of the history or my sanity.

    On a related note, I didn’t use a templated normal exam because this seemed to be the cause of a lot of documented normal findings that were not correct. The most common cause of a new murmur was failure to document an old murmur. I had one patient with a grade 3 murmur that was documented as absent by everyone except the surgical resident. How embarrassing.

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  12. Adrienne Chan
    December 27, 2025

    I’m an ID doctor, longtime lurker and superfan, and just want to add, having worked for many years in sub-Saharan Africa as part of my clinical job, there are may places where the physical exam has been indispensable and one of the only tools you have and not everyone will end up practicing in settings where tests are available ad nauseam. I never thought I would have to use our anachronistic Canadian Royal College IM exam scenario of differentiating neurosyphilis from B12 deficiency until I was actually able to diagnose someone with B12 deficiency in Malawi because of a history and physical. More important is that not only do most patients expect a physical exam as part of our clinical encounter, the “laying of the hands” helps build a therapeutic relationship, not to mention buys some silent time with your own thoughts, to quickly think about what is going on, what you are doing before you present things to the patient. I would hate for it to become a lost art in current times in Canadian and American training. I feel this one strongly…it’s the first time in 20 years of following your blogs I have been motivated to comment 🙂

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  13. Greg Whitcher
    December 27, 2025

    The physical exam shouldn’t be celebrated as a whole. Instead, we should abandon ineffective maneuvers and embrace the ones that work well.

    I agree with the commenter who mentioned JAMA’s series but many of the articles there are getting dated and the 6th edition of Steven McGee’s Evidence-Based Physical Diagnosis came out in August.

    The merging of evidence based medicine with the physical exam is THE strategy to reinvigorate the bedside clinical encounter.

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  14. SAWRI RAJAN RAJAGOPAL
    December 28, 2025

    Careful history taking is the start of a rapport building with the patient,
    It almost gives 60% of the diagnosis.The diagnos is confirmed by the physical examination and the labs.A good physical examination adds to the percentage confirmation to reach definitive diagnosis besides offering to patient the satisfaction of having been examined by the doctor,The labs completes the diagnosis reached almost 99% in most common medical situations seen in primary care.

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